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    Default Brooklyn: The Edge - by TEN Arquitectos / Stephen B. Jacobs

    This project is about to finally break ground in April...


    The Edge: A 1,300-unit apartment complex which will span over one million square feet on the Brooklyn waterfront.





    The 'Burg to Get Edge-ier


    By Phil Guie
    Thursday, March 30, 2006

    The first major development on the waterfront in the wake of the rezoning is set to break ground in April, and developers were making their pitch to the local board last week.

    Community Board 1 was visited by Vice President Matthew Feldman of the real estate firm Douglaston Development. His team displayed drawings of Douglaston's upcoming 1,300-unit apartment complex "The Edge," which will span over one million square feet and feature 300 units of affordable housing as required by the Inclusionary Housing Program. Rents for the low-budget units have been set at $1,100 a month for a two-bedroom apartment.

    Feldman said he expects The Edge - which will include two luxury towers as well as mid-size buildings for the affordable housing- to grow the local economy by bringing in "new supermarkets, liquor stores, dry cleaners" and other businesses. He said there would be a waterfront esplanade, along with water taxis to offset the flood of extra passengers on the L-train.

    Not everyone in the audience, however, shared Feldman's optimism for the project. For example, Philip DePaolo from People's Firehouse Inc. said $1,100 a month was pretty steep for what is traditionally a working-class neighborhood. "This community board has an average AMI of $28,000," he told the Star. "Who are these apartments aimed at? A family with a $28,000 a year budget can't touch these apartments, or a huge chunk of their income would go towards paying the rent."

    DePaolo said he had asked Feldman what it would take to lower the rents. The veep said more subsidies would help - a prospect DePaolo said was unlikely. "The problem is, they're already getting large subsidies from the city," he said. "They purchased the land right after the rezoning, so they bought it for a very low cost."

    Overall, DePaolo said he could not blame Douglaston Development for angling to grab as much money as they can - not with the current administration encouraging it. "They're just going to go with what the city gave them, and the city gave them a lot," he said. "But that's just the reality of this nightmare rezoning."


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    Vice President Matthew Feldman of the real estate firm Douglaston Development...Feldman said he expects The Edge - which will include two luxury towers as well as mid-size buildings for the affordable housing- to grow the local economy by bringing in "new supermarkets, liquor stores, dry cleaners" and other businesses.
    Foot goes.
    In mouth.
    These vice presidents of development companies aren't the brightest people around, are they?

    With a name like The Edge, you'd think the design could be...say, edgier? But no, this is New York where dullness lives and works.

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    So the East River is going to resemble Miami?

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    basically...except the water is just a slightly different shade of blue.


    Miami skyline coming to East River, Shvo says
    March 16, 1:52 pm


    Michael Shvo, above, says rapid residential growth is headed to the waterfront of Queens and Brooklyn.
    The waterfront in Greenpoint, Williamsburg, and Long Island City will look like the Miami skyline in five years, according to Michael Shvo, president of Shvo Marketing. Shvo also said in a recent interview that the far West Side in the 40s and 50s should see a lot of fresh residential development in the near future. more [Metro]

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    so 1100 a month steep for a 2 bedroom? that's about the market price for a rent controlled walkup one bedroom in astoria.

    AMI of 28,000? that's a couple (or 2 roommates) earning $7 an hour each, working 40 hours a week. and that's AVERAGE? Where do these numbers come from, and do they count people who dont work all?

    If 1100 a month is too steep, why dont we just have a lottery and give them away. What is this guy looking for?

    And a "nightmare rezoning"...haha. Yep. Imagine people living in nyc. Imagine services. What a nightmare. This Depaolo guy needs therapy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by czsz
    So the East River is going to resemble Miami?
    If you ask me, the average Miami apartment tower is vastly more interesting than the average New York one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alibrot
    This Depaolo guy needs therapy.
    Seems the People's Firehouse group does some good_work ...

    Plus they have this fascinating_tidbit on their website.

    Info on this area (Brooklyn Community District 1) is available HERE

    Although if you look in that document at the numbers for the individual Census Tracks in the surrounding areas it seems that DePaolo has mis-stated some numbers -- to the low side.

    However the immediate area where these buildings are going up (CT 577) are hard to gauge because that waterfront area has just recently been re-zoned for residential (in fact, in 2000 100% of the residential structures in that CT were shown to have been built BEFORE 1950). 1990 Census shows it had just 67 residents; that bumped up to 123 residents by 2000; the 2000 census for CTs immediately surrounding this area show that most had many hundreds to many thousands of residents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLOZ Link5
    If you ask me, the average Miami apartment tower is vastly more interesting than the average New York one.
    I'll second that. At least they don't used exposed floor slabs in the facade as architectural details.

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    I thought Enrique Norten was designing this one...?

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    You're right, according to THIS article from the NY Times last year.

    And the images shown above are from the TEN Arquitectos website .

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    You're right, according to THIS article from the NY Times last year.

    And the images shown above are from the TEN Arquitectos website .
    Enrique Norten would never design something like whats shown on the bottom right hand corner of the sequence. Its possible Norten did the site plan and the buildings were designed by another architect.
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    Looks like Norten did the preliminary design then was thanked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stern
    Enrique Norten would never design something like whats shown on the bottom right hand corner of the sequence. Its possible Norten did the site plan and the buildings were designed by another architect.
    You might be right -- that last image is NOT on their website.

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    Nice spatial sequence in that Norten site plan; it enlists the adjacent buildings into an overall composition that is both dynamic and dramatic if experienced in motion, heading towards the water.

    Too bad the second architect isn't up to snuff; I think the concept will get lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc
    Nice spatial sequence in that Norten site plan; it enlists the adjacent buildings into an overall composition that is both dynamic and dramatic if experienced in motion, heading towards the water.

    Too bad the second architect isn't up to snuff; I think the concept will get lost.
    NY Times
    By ROBIN POGREBIN
    Mr. Norten said he was mystified but gratified by his current flurry of New York commissions. "I'm very honored that all of this work is coming to us and that we're getting the trust of the city," he said. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/ar...c72ae7&ei=5070

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    Well,,,,,he has been getting RAVE reviews here on NYWired in the last year or so........just Maaaabee.....that has something to do with it......or only wishful thinking.....cheers
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