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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
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    Why that stupid setback exposing the blank wall of the walk-up. At least the wall has a cool old sign on it.




    The sidewalks on Eighth (and Ninth) really need to be widened. Make it part of an upzoning of the avenue making it fully Times Square West.
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    The sidewalks on 9th are especially difficult to walk in the summer with all the restaurant outdoor seating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek2k3 View Post
    Why that stupid setback exposing the blank wall of the walk-up. At least the wall has a cool old sign on it.
    It would be nice if once - just once - one of these architects would chime in here on WNY and give a 'simple answer' to a 'simple question'. I talk too, and meet, many architects in the course of my work week: most know of and read WNY as part of their daily routine - so it's not like they just are not seeing these comments. Whatever!

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    That cool old sign on the walkup will most likely be painted over.

    Many architects today suck. Is it the schools that are at fault?

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    There were so many decent architectural design students when I was in college.
    Good teachers as well...but it's the cheap ass, greedy, no taste developers that
    control the money- and who pick the same hacks, who will design what they will
    actually allow to be built.

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    The rendering for this one is quite scary.

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    And it's barely the developers. It's generally the people willing to lend them money, and the return they expect on said money.

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    Just terrible. Let hope Barnett counters this across the street.

    Is there a name for these window patterns we're seeing all over.

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    "Crap".

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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
    That cool old sign on the walkup will most likely be painted over.

    Many architects today suck. Is it the schools that are at fault?
    Largely yes. Architecture schools only teach modernism, with a few exceptions (like Notre Dame). Architecture professors are the only people in the world who don't realize that modernism is a pack of ugliness dressed up as a school of thought. Nor do they realize that modernism thrives and reigns supreme because, in its barrenness, it allows developers to build as cheap as possible. Architecture professors largely think modernism is regnant due to universal acknowledgment of the professors' ideology, best summarized as "we are all robots now, and ornamentation is a sad leftover of our pre-robot existence." Of course, developers have the last laugh; they let the professors flatter themselves while coyly knowing they patronize modernist designs because they are cheap.

    If the architecture-school establishment ever breaks from its elitist obsessions and joins the rest of mankind in rejecting modernism's dullness and lack of humanity, we'll see at least some developers move away from it. Then at least modernism can be recognized for what it is: an excuse for cheap architecture by the most unscrupulous developers.

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    The mediocre appearance of this building is the result of low cost, low quality materials, careless contruction methods; all wrapped in thoughtless simplistic design work. The architects - or architecture schools - of today have little to with, and are not to be blamed for this all too frequent outcome in our built environment: designers, truth be told, are little more than 'stylists' and 'architectural drafting and documentation services' - following the dictates, and budgetary constraints of contractors, owners, developers, investors, etc.

    To put the entire 'blame' for whatever 'perceived' bad Architecture exists today is a complete misappropriation of culpability: in other words, simply wrong.

    Not to be nasty or condescending, but this is not a philosophical issue; it is simply a financial calculation. If you really want to change things, you must carefully consider - and identify - the actual root causes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stroika View Post
    Largely yes. Architecture schools only teach modernism, with a few exceptions (like Notre Dame). Architecture professors are the only people in the world who don't realize that modernism is a pack of ugliness dressed up as a school of thought. Nor do they realize that modernism thrives and reigns supreme because, in its barrenness, it allows developers to build as cheap as possible.
    Neither statement is true.

    Modernism isn't "a pack of ugliness", it's a subjective claim, and obviously tons of people prefer modernism. And there is nothing inherently cheaper about modernist design relative to other typologies.

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    It's worth remembering that the Seagram Building - one of our, and the world's, modernist gems, wasn't cheap at all, thanks to a daughter's intervention in a rich family enterprise, and a father's indulgence. And plenty of our newer "historicist" designs look cheap because they are cheaply executed. A brick here, a stone there, a curlicue over the top of something . . . or even just a decoration for the sake of decoration? Am I the only person who feels slightly queasy about the decoration around the entrance of that new building on the north side of E. 79th St. that everyone fawns over? It's fine for what it is, I guess, don't get me wrong, but it still doesn't seem "right' somehow. It's too twee by half. Vine décor, in 2014? It's kind of embarrassing . . .

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