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    According to the April 6, 2006 edition of the New York Sun, 307 5th Avenue will be demolished. It is a nice building that should be saved. It's not one of the magnificent buildings on that part of 5th, but it's pretty nice and is in good shape. One curious aspect, however, is that the article claims that it, along with the adjacent parking garage, will be redeveloped. However, there is no adjacent parking garage. There are two utterly undistinguished low rise buildings adjacent to it to the north.

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    While the loss of 307 5th would suck, the loss of the 1960's piece of junk set forth in the article below will be quite pleasant.

    Innovative facades planned for condo building at 241 Fifth Avenue 05-APR-06
    An extremely interesting and innovative, 19-story residential condominium building is planned for 241 Fifth Avenue on a site now occupied by a pink-granite, 4-story building that was erected in 1968.
    The design by Perkins Eastman has its most adventurous design on its “party” wall, which faces south, whereas its “primary” façade, fronting on Fifth Avenue, is more conventional, albeit quite modern.

    The mid-block building is located between 27th and 28th Streets and Eran Chen of Perkins Eastman told the land-use committee of Community Board 5 last night that its design attempts to make a meaningful transition between a higher building just to its north and the 7-story building just to its south and the 5-story Museum of Sex on the northeast corner at 27th Street.

    The developer is 241 5th Ave., LLC, of which Avraham Sibony is a principal. The building is planned to have 76 apartments.

    The property falls within the Madison Avenue North Historic District and last night its architects made a presentation of their application of a certificate of appropriateness from the City’s Landmarks Preservation Commission to the land-use committee of Community Board 5. The commission will hold a hearing on the project April 25.

    Mr. Chen, shown in the photograph at the right next to a rendering of the proposed building, told the land-use committee that the building’s “scale fits the neighborhood,” noting that it “steps down” from the taller building to the north but is higher than the building to the south, adding that this area is characterized by considerable peaks and valleys in its skyline.

    The building rises 14-stories, then has a setback for one floor and the remainder of the top of the building is cantilevered 6 feet forward towards Fifth Avenue. “Penthouses do not necessarily have to be at the top,” Mr. Chen declared. The building is 210 feet tall, not counting an elevator and staircase housing on the roof that adds an additional 8 feet or so.

    The building’s facades use four materials: a “rainscreen” terracotta system, an opaque baked and painted glass, clear glass and silver-colored metal panel coping.

    The Fifth Avenue façade is “regular,” he continued, but the south façade has a staggered fenestration pattern in part reflecting regulations about “lot-line windows” that limit the number of windows above adjoining buildings on a gradual basis.

    The land-use committee voted 5 to 1 to deny approval of the application. Joyce Matz, the chairman of the committee, said that the committee was “traditionally opposed to extremely modern buildings in historic districts,” and that this design was “certainly not compatible with the historic district.” The district, in fact, is quite eclectic with a few Art Deco and a few Beaux-Arts buildings and several buildings of not very high architectural quality.

    The committee was not swayed or impressed with Mr. Chen’s argument that the party walls, or “lot-line” side walls of many buildings are not always very attractive and that this design tries to create a visually interesting “secondary” façade that would be quite visible.

    Jack Taylor, a member of the committee and the head of the Drive to Protect the Ladies’ Mile District, rhetorically asked what would happen to the proposed building’s lot-line windows if the buildings to the south were “torched” and those properties redeveloped at greater height. Perkins Eastman is the architect on several other current projects in Manhattan including the Centria, the Cielo and the Grand Madison.

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    Does anyone have any information about this project? 307 5th is about 15 stories as the NY Sun article says, but there's no parking garage next to it. There are three 3 or 4 story lame buildings next to it. If the project consisted just of 307 5th, the developer would be nuts to tear it down, as it's a nice building that buyers would probably prefer to a new building. Also, the site on which 307 sits is too narrow to build much higher (if at all) than the current building.

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    307 is a magnificent building that would make great lofts. It has intricate art-deco tile work.... amazing it´s not protected. If this were Soho or Tribeca, it would be saved and extended with a new section. The developer is nuts for not doing that.... people would love that kind of solution ...and it would make the whole thing so much more attractive.

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    Unfortunately, NY bevelopers don't give a hoot about things like intricate art deco tile work. They have only one consideration, and that is making their pockets fatter.
    Look at the guy's huge smiling face in the photo above- does it look like historic preservation entered his mind for even one milli-second?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidtownGuy
    Unfortunately, NY developers don't give a hoot about things like intricate art deco tile work. They have only one consideration, and that is making their pockets fatter.
    Look at the guy's huge smiling face in the photo above- does it look like historic preservation entered his mind for even one milli-second?
    With the exception of a very few buildings by starchitects like Herzog & deMeuron, Meier, Tschumi, Gwathmey and Stern, new residential construction in New York is dreary and characterless.

    Should we on this forum be applauding these dismal blockbusters merely because they are new? They seem as likely to replace a snazzy and substantial old building as the single-story flotsam londonlawyer calls crap. If the developers don't make a distinction, is the city on balance getting worse as a result of their efforts or better?

    Kondylis is the prime offender, but he gets all those commissions because he delivers exactly what his clients want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidtownGuy
    Look at the guy's huge smiling face in the photo above- does it look like historic preservation entered his mind for even one milli-second?
    What are you talking about?
    The site he's talking about and the "intricate art-deco" one are two separate buildings.

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    The new building in the picture above with Mr. Smiley is at 241 5th Ave. (between 27th / 28th).

    305 5th Ave. is between 31st / 32nd.

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    Prime Development Site Near Empire State Building
    Address: 309 Fifth Avenue
    Property type: Development/ Land
    Location: New York, NY
    Neighborhood: Midtown





    http://www.easternconsolidated.com/p...357__pic&w=412


    Information contained herein is from sources deemed reliable but is subject to errors, omissions, change of price or terms, and withdrawal without prior notice at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriHobo

    Prime Development Site Near Empire State Building
    Address: 309 Fifth Avenue
    Property type: Development/ Land
    Location: New York, NY
    Neighborhood: Midtown





    http://www.easternconsolidated.com/p...357__pic&w=412


    Information contained herein is from sources deemed reliable but is subject to errors, omissions, change of price or terms, and withdrawal without prior notice at any time.

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    Interesting. This is an adjacent site because the NY Sun article is about 307 5th which is next door. In fact, 307 5th is the second building in from the south corner. I assume that the two lots will be combined into one project.

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    You can see both 307 & 305 intact in that rendering. They're just building on the nondescript building at 309-311 5th.

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    Exactly. That block has very beautiful buildings at the north and south corners, and 307, which is one building north of the south corner, is quite nice. The lowrise buildings in the middle are expendable. Nonetheless, it appears that 307 will be torn down, along with 309-311, unless the NY Sun article was wrong. Presumably, the developer of 307 bought 309-311.

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    What are you talking about?
    The site he's talking about and the "intricate art-deco" one are two separate buildings.
    Sorry to Smiley and to antinimby for the address confusion, I was responding to a previous post, perhaps too quickly. Don't sue me. Still, I stand by my conviction that plenty of the developers in this town are busy plotting to tear things down regardless of what is lost.

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