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    simply an amazing building!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by macreator View Post
    This is easily my favorite WTC tower. I hope that lighting scheme behind the X beams going up the tower is what we're going to end up with -- it looks fantastic. I will admit that the retail base does look a little too 1 Liberty Plaza for me.
    This is my Favorite too, you simply can't go wrong with X beams, think John Hancock Center Chicago.
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    Uh, did you guys see the propagandatastic "media wall" display they've planned for the base facing the WTC site?

    I hope the programming on this screen isn't going to stay like that...


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    Default What's wrong with that media wall?

    Would you prefer a star and crescent theme?

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    ^ Hope that glass lobby elevator doesn't get cut.

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    Would you prefer a star and crescent theme?
    Actually I was pissed that there weren't any bald eagles soaring through the digital skyline. They should have brought Stephen Colbert on the design team.

    Seriously...there's not exactly a strict dichotomy here. Frankly, I think any flashy media screen facing the WTC site is rather tasteless. They had plenty of other walls to turn into Times Square South...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYguy View Post
    New renderings from wtc.com

    Nice touch lighting up the bracings. Unlike the lackluster FT/WTC1 (that just gets worse) this one gets better and better. So detailed and progressive looking that it gives WTC2 a run for 2nd best and puts the FT, WTC3 to shame.

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    Chevy Luminas were practically never used as taxi's in NY - that they appear in most of the street view renderings of these towers gives the impression that the buildings are not set in New York.

    This tower, however, does look great, and will still look great in 30 years...


    as does the HSBC Bank Building:


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    This is my favorite of the new WTC towers, as well. As the market is apparently strong to fill these, I don't see why the developers shouldn't consider raising the height of all the towers. Now is the time.

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    Photos from wtcrising.com











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    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09112007...eing_wooed.htm

    MERRILL BEING WOOED
    CALLING IT A TOSSUP BETWEEN SILVERSTEIN AND BROOKFIELD




    September 11, 2007 -- WITH the future of downtown still at a crossroads, the high-stakes decision over where Merrill Lynch will ply its trades for the next 50 years is finally coming to a resolution.

    Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver told us he would be meeting with Merrill execs as early as today to try to act as a facilitator in making a downtown pact.

    While he would like to see Merrill in the new World Trade Center site, he would be just as happy if they renewed at the World Financial Center.

    Merrill's investment bankers have settled on three possibilities, sources said. They include World Trade Center Tower 3, also known as 175 Greenwich St., being developed by Silverstein Properties; a new tower by Vornado Realty Trust to replace the current Hotel Pennsylvania; or renewing with Brookfield Properties in Merrill's current WFC location in Battery Park City coupled with a new trading pod.

    Peter Riguardi, president of Jones Lang LaSalle, who is shepherding their search, said, "We are evaluating all their choices so that they can be in a position to make an educated decision."

    Merrill takes up 3 million feet in the WFC including all of WFC4 and part of WFC2 through leases that expire at the end of 2013.

    But a renewal is not a simple check mark. That's because Merrill needs better trading floors. A new lease would certainly involve less disruption of its work force.

    "What they are talking about now is extending [World Financial Center] Tower 2 so as to construct a new trading floor for Merrill," said James Cavanaugh of the Battery Park City Authority.

    The approximately 500,000-foot pod would require BPCA and city approvals, architectural renderings, construction documents and, of course, construction.


    Along with trading floors it would likely include more shopping and some elbow room for expansion of Merrill's office space.

    Brookfield declined comment, but a downtown source advised that its chairman, John Zuccotti, "can be very persuasive" when it comes to convincing Merrill to stay in its current location.

    Brookfield would bend over backwards to keep its giant tenant happy and could do it at a far better number than the other contenders.

    At the same time, Merrill would keep its important traders in place with new facilities.

    Another critical factor is the continued escalation of construction costs and equipment demands due to worldwide development of towers in places as far flung as Dubai, India, Seoul, Shanghai and Singapore.

    For instance, early on Tishman Construction had to pressure the supplier of two giant climbing tower cranes to commit to working on the Freedom Tower rather than sending them elsewhere.

    The Port Authority is scheduled to turn over the excavated sites for Towers 3 and 4 to developer Larry Silverstein in January after which it is estimated to take four years to build.

    The more complicated Tower 2 site gets turned over in July, and isn't due to open until 2012.

    The schedule puts the towers ahead both in cost and construction of Vornado's Hotel Pennsylvania redevelopment plan - especially considering the 21-story hotel across from Madison Square Garden and Penn Station is still open.

    What's more, officials like Avi Schick, head of the state-run Lower Manhattan Development Corp., are focused on continued job growth. "We are going to work like heck to make sure Merrill Lynch stays downtown where they belong," he said.

    According to Cushman & Wakefield, downtown's asking rents are now $45.66 per foot, the highest ever recorded while Class-A vacancy is 5.7 percent, the lowest since the third quarter of 2001.

    WFC rents are averaging $71.34, but only a handful of spaces are available. Silverstein will be asking $100-plus rents for the next generation of towers.

    Despite the recent Hermes and Tiffany deals, retailers have been skittish to commit to downtown because they have wanted to see the plans for the WTC site. These, too, are now completed.

    Working backwards, Merrill needs at least a year to a year and a half to build its space and move into any new tower.

    Vornado would be cutting it close to finish in mid-2011, but if Chairman Steve Roth gets his price quickly, he could pull it off.

    Merrill has wanted more control over its space and Silverstein is not as willing as Vornado to work out a deal.


    Throw in the tenacity of downtown officials to make them stay and we're handicapping the deal as a tossup between Silverstein and Brookfield.

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    ... Merrill's current WFC location in Battery Park City coupled with a new trading pod ...

    Merrill needs better trading floors ...

    "What they are talking about now is extending [World Financial Center] Tower 2 so as to construct a new trading floor for Merrill ...

    The approximately 500,000-foot pod would require BPCA and city approvals, architectural renderings, construction documents and, of course, construction.
    A "POD" would likely be constructed in the area to the south of 2 WFC and abutting the park area with the circular lawn surrounded by trees (between 1 WFC and 2 WFC, in what is now a vehicle turn-around area (at bottom left below) ...




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    I do hope they would stay where they are now at the WFC and build the pod.

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    The pod would be a nice use of that car turnaround as it is currently wasted space due to post-9/11 security concerns.

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