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    ^Love that last shot Tectonic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCMAN320 View Post
    ^Love that last shot Tectonic!
    Now that the hideous redesign of 2WTC seems dead it would be nice of this tower had its' 4 spires returned to it. Unfortunately it probably won't happen once they designed them out to accommodate the 2 WTC redesign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TallGuy View Post
    Now that the hideous redesign of 2WTC seems dead it would be nice of this tower had its' 4 spires returned to it. Unfortunately it probably won't happen once they designed them out to accommodate the 2 WTC redesign.
    My exact sentiments....

    But we know that Low-End-Larry is going to use the buck$$ he saved from scrapping the spires to pocket them as profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TallGuy View Post
    Now that the hideous redesign of 2WTC seems dead it would be nice of this tower had its' 4 spires returned to it. Unfortunately it probably won't happen once they designed them out to accommodate the 2 WTC redesign.
    There's no indication that 2 WTC design will change. Silverstein scrapped the previous design before signing Newscorp to a preliminary agreement, so I would assume the BIG design stays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TREPYE View Post
    My exact sentiments....

    But we know that Low-End-Larry is going to use the buck$$ he saved from scrapping the spires to pocket them as profit.
    Yeah, sure, "Low End Larry", building the most expensive office complex in world history, and switching to a significantly more expensive design for 2 WTC, got rid of spires, which cost almost nothing, just to pad the bottom line.

    Sorry, but no. Completely absurd. Spires are not even a rounding error in terms of cost. This is the most lavish, expensive office center on the planet.

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    ^^Which is why he balked at rebuilding half of the complex, not to mention the whole insurance payment lawsuit business.

    That said the spire definitely is a minuscule cost here. It frankly feels like team Rogers wasn't crazy about these spires for quite a while. They've been hazy and unspecific in renderings for a long time.

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    April 28, 2016

    Touring 3 World Trade Center, a Supertall On the Rise in Lower Manhattan

    Get an exclusive peek inside the World Trade Center site's third-tallest building



    Construction work at 3 World Trade Center, one of the many buildings that make up the revitalized WTC campus, is currently in full swing: the building stands just over 900 feet tall at present, and when construction wraps up in 2018, the structure will stand 1,079 feet tall, making it one of the tallest skyscrapers in the city.

    But it took a while to get to here: When the financial crisis hit in 2008, the future of several projects at the World Trade Center were thrown in turmoil—including this tower and its neighbor 2 World Trade Center. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey wanted to significantly decrease the heights of all the buildings, and 3WTC might well have ended up being a four-story structure. But Silverstein Properties, led by its head Larry Silverstein, was determined to see the projects as they were originally imagined.

    3 WTC will feature a three-story lobby, the hull for which can be seen in this image here. The large lobbies have become symbolic of Silverstein Properties developments at the World Trade Center site, and also be seen in 4 World Trade Center and 7 World Trade Center. By Max Touhey

    During an exclusive tour of the site, Curbed got a peek at the still under-construction skyscraper—including the current pinnacle of the tower, the yet-to-be-finished 74th floor. The trek to the top included an elevator ride to the building's halfway point (the 40th floor), then a ride on a second hoist that shoots you several stories above, and then a climb up several flights of stairs that only get narrower as you get higher. Finally, after climbing a steel ladder—the final steep ascent—and a wobbly few steps later, we were faced with panoramic views of New York City from the highest point on the construction site, which at that time was around 920 feet.

    Some of the detailing installed near the ground level of the building. By Max Touhey

    3 World Trade Center, much like the buildings around it, has also been designed by a starchitect—Richard Rogers of Rogers, Stirk Harbour + Partners. The design of the building is unique in that all corners of this structure are column free. It is supported by an exterior bracing system, and the building was designed so that future tenants would have unimpeded views of the city. Developers have described this as a "structural load-sharing perimeter moment frame system."

    The building's 80 floors include five trading floors; the floor plans range in size from 31,000 rentable square feet to 44,300 rentable square feet, but the available space is the largest on the trading floors with about 65,000 rentable square feet. 3WTC also features five floors of retail spread out over two floors below ground, one on the ground floor, and two floors above that.

    Construction will also lead to a re-established Greenwich Street, and will transform the space around Cortlandt and Dey Streets into pedestrian areas. The building will be serviced by a total of 44 elevators. So far, media company GroupM has signed on for over 500,000 square feet at building, and news emerged in January that the company had signed on for an additional 170,000 square feet.

    The view of the under-construction 3 WTC as it's seen from one of the penthouses at the also under-construction 30 Park Place, which features a Four Seasons Hotel on the lower floors and is being designed by Robert A.M. Stern. By Max Touhey

    Apart from 3WTC, Silverstein Properties owns three other buildings at the site: 7 World Trade Center, which was the first of the new towers to be completed at the site in 2006, and was designed by David Childs; 4 World Trade Center, which was completed in 2013 and designed by Pritzker Prize-winning architect Fumihiko Maki. Dara McQuillan, the Chief Marketing & Communications Officer at Silverstein, describes 4WTC a "the Predator building" (yes, after the Arnold Schwarzenegger film), thanks to its extremely reflective surface and its ability to blend in completely with the surrounding to sometimes make it seem invisible. The developer is also behind 2 World Trade Center, the future of which is still uncertain after Rupert Murdoch pulled out of a deal to move News Corp. to the skyscraper.

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    New York YIMBY
    May 24, 2016

    3 World Trade Center Reaches Supertall Territory


    The World Trade Center Transportation Hub, 3 World Trade Center, and 4 World Trade Center. Credit: Joe Woolhead

    The new World Trade Center is coming together. In March, the Santiago Calatrava-designed World Trade Center Transportation Hub opened. Liberty Park is due to open this summer. Now, we have news about one of the complex’s skyscrapers. 3 World Trade Center, located at 175 Greenwich Street, has reached supertall height.

    One World Trade Center, 7 World Trade Center, 3 World Trade Center, and 4 World Trade Center. Credit: Joe Woolhead

    A supertall is anything above 300 meters, or 984 feet, in height, according to the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH), which issues such determinations. Well, 3WTC has passed the 1,000-foot mark, on its way to a final height of 1,079 feet and 80 stories. As of Friday, the concrete had reached 1,001 feet, six inches and the steel was up to 732 feet.

    3 World Trade Center and 4 World Trade Center. Credit: Joe Woolhead

    Designed by architect Richard Rogers of the London-based firm Rogers Stirk Harbour + Partners, the office building will encompass 2.8 million square feet of rentable space. There will be 150,000 square feet of retail across five stories.

    The World Trade Center as seen from West Street and Liberty Street. Credit: Joe Woolhead

    As for the office space, some of the signed tenants are GroupM, which will occupy 700,000 square feet, and its child companies MEC and Mindshare. Catalyst and Xaxis will also lease space.

    3 World Trade Center and 4 World Trade Center. Credit: Joe Woolhead

    The building was to have risen to 1,168 feet, but two masts at the top were eliminated.

    Larry Silverstein’s Silverstein Properties and the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey are behind the project. It is expected to open in 2018.

    Day view from 3 World Trade Center. Credit: Joe Woolhead

    Night view from 3 World Trade Center. Credit: Joe Woolhead

    4 World Trade Center and One World Trade Center have been open for sometime. The rebuilt 7 World Trade Center opened in 2006. The design for 2 World Trade Center had shifted from Norman Foster to Bjarke Ingels (Bjarke Ingels Group – BIG), with 21st Century Fox due to move in. That deal has fallen through, but the BIG design might still be what is built.

    Rendering of the completed office towers of the World Trade Center. Credit: DBOX


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    New York Times
    May 25, 2016

    Skyscraper at Trade Center Rises From the Inside Out


    Slide Show: Core Strength

    If you think Santiago Calatrava’s transportation hub and shopping mall looks like a bird (or a stegosaurus), you might find 3 World Trade Center next door reminding you of an upside-down Popsicle, with the stick at the top.

    Its surprising profile — which is only temporary — results from a construction technique rarely used in New York office towers. The concrete core of the 69-story skyscraper is rising ahead of the steel columns and beams around its perimeter, sometimes 20 or more floors ahead.

    On most office towers, structural completion is marked by a “topping out” in which the uppermost beam, signed by the workers, is raised to the building’s pinnacle. Things will be different in June at 3 World Trade Center.

    “There will be a ceremony with workers signing the concrete bucket that will be hoisted to the top of the tower,” said Dara McQuillan, the chief marketing officer of Silverstein Properties, which is developing the building.

    The steel topping out should occur in October. The $2.75 billion building, designed by Rogers Stirk Harbour & Partners, is to open in 2018. (And like many buildings, its floor count is inflated for marketing purposes, to 80 stories.)

    Do not be fooled by the core’s slender aspect on the skyline.

    Those concrete walls are three feet thick, on average, and embedded with steel rebar. Within that enclosure, and sheltered from any impact, are emergency stairways, elevator shafts and the vertical channels through which electrical, communication and plumbing lines run.

    “The concrete core is its own safety system, both in sturdiness and in the egress it gives,” said Janno Lieber, the president of World Trade Center Properties at Silverstein.

    A utility room in 3 World Trade Center, which is to open in 2018. Credit Bryan Thomas for The New York Times

    A core acts like a stiffening spine, helping stabilize a skyscraper against tremendous lateral forces, chiefly wind.

    Concrete cores generally cost less than steel-frame cores, which must be reinforced to achieve comparable rigidity. Apartment towers typically have concrete cores and perimeters. In office towers, by contrast, column-free floor space is at a premium. So steel framing is used around the perimeter, since it can span greater distances.

    Such buildings — concrete cores and steel perimeters — are called “composite” or “mixed” structures, said William F. Baker, a prominent engineer and partner in the Chicago office of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill.

    “The first examples I knew about were in Chicago in the mid-1980s,” he said. “I have seen this system all over the world: London, Shanghai, Seoul, Dubai, Beijing, Kuala Lumpur, et cetera. New York is one of the last places to adopt it.”


    Until recent years, resistance came from Local 40 of the International Association of Bridge, Structural, Ornamental and Reinforcing Iron Workers.

    Long accustomed to being at the top of projects, ironworkers were wary of working below another trade without added overhead protection, especially one like concrete pouring and forming that depends on speed.

    Until Sept. 11, 2001, there did not seem to be much incentive to press a construction technique upon a reluctant union.

    Sean Johnson, a vice president at Silverstein Properties, which is developing the skyscraper. Credit Bryan Thomas for The New York Times

    In the terrorist attack, however, hijacked jetliners easily pierced the steel-framed cores of the World Trade Center towers. Developers, contractors, engineers and architects in New York took a fresh look at composites.

    Richard Wood, the president and chief executive of Plaza Construction, was one of the first. His company had been given the job of building 11 Times Square, on Eighth Avenue between 41st and 42nd Streets, developed by SJP Properties.

    The development team met with Robert Walsh, the business manager of Local 40. Since 11 Times Square was a speculative project in which cost saving was paramount, they said, a composite structure was imperative. “Otherwise,” Mr. Wood said, “we’ll be forced to do an all-concrete building.”

    That was probably the last thing an ironworker wanted to hear. Mr. Walsh supported the approach “once he understood that we were left no choice,” Mr. Wood recalled. “He said, ‘The only thing I demand is that you keep my people safe.’” (Mr. Walsh did not respond to a request for comment.)

    “We cocooned the whole thing and worked very hard to create a safe environment for the ironworkers,” Mr. Wood said. Eleven Times Square was completed in 2010.

    At 3 World Trade Center, blue nylon mesh framed the work platforms around and below the 54th floor, the highest point in the building last February, when I visited. (It is now taller than 4 World Trade Center.)

    Three hundred and twenty cubic yards of concrete were being poured, pumped up from trucks arriving steadily from the Ferrara Brothers plant in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn, while steel was being erected below.

    “Everything is wrapped to keep it contained,” Sean Johnson, a Silverstein vice president, said.

    Though he had plenty else to occupy him on the site, Mr. Johnson noted that a composite building presented at least one distinct problem:

    “There are two topping-out parties to plan.”

    © 2016 The New York Times Company

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