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    I wouldn't want to be on a high floor of this puppy when the big hurricaine we are due for finally strikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrizio
    That would complete the chain-saw asthetic.
    From their marketing division (completely fitting for the 8th Ave. location) ...


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    LOL...Good one lofter...LOL....perfect.

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    This one actually reminds me of this dead project...



    http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/sh...hlight=packing

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    ^^^That would be itīs cool arty brother.... funny how siblings can turn out so differently...

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    I stayed in a hotel close to that area. I was on a high floor, like 19 or something, and there is no view anyway. Just bunch of other crappy buildings looking back at you, no skyline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrizio
    The rendering above makes it look like a high-rise squeezed into a third-world slum.
    Looks can be deceiving. I walked down that stretch of 8th today, only to find a vibrant mix of nice restaurants, bars, bodegas, fast food places, and of course, the occasional adult film shop (talking about the west side of the street here, whereas the east side has almost completely sterilized into Duane Reades, Starbucks, and big residentials). Also, I noticed several of the smaller buildings had fresh paint on them and looked spruced up. In this respect, 8th Avenue is emblematic of the vast changes New York has experienced recently, and is continuing to experience. The seedy porn outlets and derelict bars of the past are being replaced with trendy restaurants and luxury condos. We're already seeing a couple big commercials set up shop. I'm looking for 8th to become the next "it" avenue within the next 10 to 20 years.

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    Maybe that stretch will be an "it" spot for tourists ... many those "derelict" bars you mention that have closed on / near 8th were local hangouts and are being replaced by faux Irish Pubs with storefronts that open onto the sidewalk.

    Luckily the sidestreets west of 8th Ave. (and over past 9th to 10th) in Hells Kitchen are retaining a sense of neighborhood with some good new bars and restaurants opening up that cater to both locals and visitors.

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    "I'm looking for 8th to become the next "it" avenue within the next 10 to 20 years."

    Good luck. I predict more we-could-be-anywhere condos, banks, duane reades and chain stores. It probably could have become an "it" avenue with an overall master plan.

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    9th or even 10th are more "itty" than 8th, which is the home of tourists wearing white sneakers, fanny packs etc,. Bastion of the bad perm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stache
    8th .... Bastion of the bad perm.
    lmao ... thanks!

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    and here comes the news....


    New condo tower in Theater District


    16-MAY-06

    A 40-story, mid-block condominium tower with 110 apartments is planned by Espanade Capital LLC, of which David Scharf is a principal for 785 Eighth Avenue between 47th and 48th Streets.

    The very slim, glass-clad tower will have balconies facing the avenue, according to a rendering on the website of Ismael Leyva Architects P.C.

    According to the website, the design “responds to the challenge of an oddly shaped site which results in a 40-story building with a still, rigorous geometry, defying the difficulties of the site: irregular shape and very small footprint.”

    “The angular nature of the site is exacerbated in the triangular shapes of the penthouses. The volumetric composition is complemented by the addition of cascading balconies with glass railings. The abstract sculptural quality of the whole resonates with the nearby very dynamic theater district,” it continued.

    The ground floor will have commercial space that extends to an outdoor garden in the rear and the residential entry will have a skylight and a waterfall. A fitness center, lounge space and bicycle storage with be in the cellar. Apartments on the second and seventh floors have outdoor terraces and apartments on the eighth through the 40th floor have balconies.

    The roof will have outdoor terraces with hot tubs. The building will have residential entrances on Eighth Avenue and 46th Street, but the rendering indicates that a low-rise building will remain on the southwest corner at 46th Street.

    As rendered, the design would be one of the most dramatic “sliver” buildings in the city and a poster, “krulltime,” on wirednewyork.com likened the design to a "dead" design by Jean Nouvel for a very tall, slim, dramatic and impressive tower along the High Line in Chelsea. Another poster, “Fabrizio,” liked the balcony edge to “the chain-saw aesthetic.”

    Calls by CityRealty.com to Mr. Scharf and Mr. Leyva were not returned today so it is unclear if the building is “as-of-right” and what is the size of the units and the exact shape of the building.

    Records on file with the city indicate that the project has an air rights easement from Letterbeg Restaurant Inc., and that the project’s site begins 32 feet 4 inches south of 48th Street and extends 23 feet 7 inches south along Eighth Avenue where it extends 100 feet deep into the block and “THENCE Southerly parallel with 8th Avenue 44 feet six inches; THENCE Westerly parallel with 48th Street, 16 feet 8 inches; THENCE Northerly parallel with 8th Avenue, 100 feet 5 inches to the southerly side of West 48th Street, THENCE Easterly along the Southerly side of West 48th Street 16 feet 8 inches; THENCE Southerly parallel with 8th Avenue, 8 feet 4 inches; THENCE Southeasterly along a line forming an interior angle of 256 degrees, 30 minutes, 15 seconds with the previous course, 102 feet 10 1/8 inches to the westerly side of 8th Avenue to the point or place of BEGINNING.”

    City documents indicated that Esplanade Condominiums LLC has arranging financing with Morgan Stanley Mortgage Capital Inc.

    Recently, planning for two other residential condominium towers on either side of Eighth Avenue at 46th Street has advanced, suggesting that the dramatic transformation of this once tawdry area of West Midtown is accelerating.


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    Wow, such a specific reference to this site. Then again, whenever a member here posts a new building, within a couple days it is featured on city realty....so I shouldn't be surprised.

    Personally i think this building is ridiculous....and at the very least, the developer should try to get the corner property. I hate the appearance of sliver buildings.

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    the developer should try to get the corner property. I hate the appearance of sliver buildings.[/quote]


    Good luck on that one - owner of the hotel at corner is a nut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krulltime
    New condo tower in Theater District


    16-MAY-06

    A 40-story, mid-block condominium tower with 110 apartments is planned ... for 785 Eighth Avenue between 47th and 48th Streets.

    Records on file with the city indicate that ... the project’s site begins 32 feet 4 inches south of 48th Street and extends 23 feet 7 inches south along Eighth Avenue where it extends 100 feet deep into the block and “THENCE Southerly parallel with 8th Avenue 44 feet six inches; THENCE Westerly parallel with 48th Street, 16 feet 8 inches; THENCE Northerly parallel with 8th Avenue, 100 feet 5 inches to the southerly side of West 48th Street, THENCE Easterly along the Southerly side of West 48th Street 16 feet 8 inches; THENCE Southerly parallel with 8th Avenue, 8 feet 4 inches; THENCE Southeasterly along a line forming an interior angle of 256 degrees, 30 minutes, 15 seconds with the previous course, 102 feet 10 1/8 inches to the westerly side of 8th Avenue to the point or place of BEGINNING.”
    Here's a google map that clearly shows the diagonal property line: Map 785 8th Ave (see zoning map below with site overlayed)

    Given the distances listed above it seems that this lot has ~5,200 ft. sq.

    At FAR = 10 then that would mean ~52,000 ft. sq. buildable. At 40 stories that comes out to ~ 1300 ft. sq. / floor. With the additional air rights from the restaurant mentioned above then this proposal might need no additional variance / air rights.

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