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    No, you can't. If you could, there'd be a lot less ugly in the world. And last time I checked, there's a whole lot of ugly out there.
    We're talking about buildings, and we're talking about Manhattan. Let's keep it specific and not generalize to the degree that nothing about anything holds true anymore. I don't care if it's ugly in Pyongyang. We can do better here, and if developers don't care about defacing the city with 40 story blank concrete walls, there should be ways to discourage it.

    There are plenty of laws all over that regulate the appearance of buildings in one way or another, especially in world class cities that desire to maintain a world class appearance. Don't try to sensationalize my position. It's perfectly normal to have building codes of one form or another and you know it.

    You were still trying to defend the dog comparison and I don't see any meaningful relation, so if you want to continue with outrageous comparisons then go ahead. Most people reading this thread will see the difference between regulating the appearance of a dog ( a living thing for God's sake, and one you can't see from 10 blocks away) and that of a new highrise construction that is rooted in place, visible for blocks upon blocks, and....oh whatever pianoman. Reasonable people wouldn't need to have it explained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686 View Post
    I might think your dog is ugly, and it offends me to see it out on the street. Does that mean there should be a law telling you not to parade it in public?
    This kind of comment is just so dumb it borders on trolling. This is NYWired Forum ... and you are not a newbie here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686 View Post

    Most New Yorkers don't look around all the time when they're walking, and stop and take pictures. That's what tourists do.
    Who you callin' a tourist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686 View Post
    Have you ever seen a piece in the media about "ugly blank walls defacing the city"?
    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...923472,00.html

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    ^Nice obscure article from 25 years ago. Thank you for proving my point.

    Do you guys even have any idea of how many blank walls there are in Manhattan? Hundreds, if not thousands. Granted, most of them are at least partially blocked by another building, but they're still there.

    You want to put a law in place that does what exactly? Force developers to paint murals on these blank walls, or make fake windows? Like I said, good luck trying to convince your everyday New Yorker that this is a problem that deserves attention.

    If this was a building put up 40 years ago, no one would have a problem with the blank wall.

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    "Nice obscure article from 25 years ago. Thank you for proving my point."

    --- Pianoman asks: "Have you ever seen a piece in the media about "ugly blank walls defacing the city"? Soooo.... I post an article.

    Yet somehow I proved HIS point! Brilliant.

    "Do you guys even have any idea of how many blank walls there are in Manhattan? Hundreds, if not thousands. Granted, most of them are at least partially blocked by another building, but they're still there."

    ( Oh boy.... ) We are talking about a 40 STORY BLANK WALL FOR CHRISSAKES not just any old every-day blank wall... of which there are hundreds.... no THOUSANDS....

    "... convince your everyday New Yorker that this is a problem that deserves attention."

    No one had to convince your everyday New Yorker to enact the landmark and asthetic laws that already exist. Hundreds.... no THOUSANDS of laws are placed on the books that "everyday" NewYorkers don't even know about. Laws are not regularlly placed on referendums.

    "If this was a building put up 40 years ago, no one would have a problem with the blank wall."

    AAAAAAHHHHHHHRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!..........

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW6GWEi3g3U

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    The elitism and arrogance of a comment like "No one had to convince your everyday New Yorker to enact the landmark and asthetic laws that already exist" is astounding. It's the same type of thinking that permeates the mindless community boards holding up development in the few areas where landmark and historic districts laws are in effect. Now you want to apply this to the entire city? No thanks.

    You want to put a new ordinance into place that outlaws blank walls? Give me a better reason than "it's ugly." A third grader can come up with that on his own.

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    Why is that responding to Pianoman's posts regularly require elaborate graphs, slide shows, power point presentations and shadow puppets?

    Follow this one:

    "The elitism and arrogance of a comment like "No one had to convince your everyday New Yorker to enact the landmark and asthetic laws that already exist" is astounding."

    Ok folks: is my comment TRUE or not?: "No one had to convince your everyday New Yorker to enact the landmark and asthetic laws that already exist"

    Pianoman spins it as if I AM the one saying "let them eat cake". The truth is that these laws are NOT put up to a referendom vote. THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. And they are regularly passed.

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    Are you or are you not one in a MINORITY of individuals who would like to see a law passed banning blank walls?

    Do you or do you not agree that the MAJORITY of people in New York couldn't care less about the problem of blank walls?

    Do the FEW PEOPLE who regularly attend community board meetings represent the interests of their entire community when they argue against a new development?

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    That hundreds of other laws are passed without anyone's knowing about them isn't the point. Laws are reserved for encouraging social order and enhancing social welfare, NOT for upholding the aesthetic preferences of a select few over the rest of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686 View Post
    Forgive me for trying to get the point across in plain language.
    Nah, you're muddying the water.

    Such a law wouldn't wouldn't use the word ugly. It would describe design criteria that makes a building...less ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686 View Post
    Do you or do you not agree that the MAJORITY of people in New York couldn't care less about the problem of blank walls?
    Do we get things done by putting rocks in jars, and counting them?

    That hundreds of other laws are passed without anyone's knowing about them isn't the point.
    It's exactly the point.

    Laws are reserved for encouraging social order and enhancing social welfare, NOT for upholding the aesthetic preferences of a select few over the rest of the population.
    Sez who?

    And do you actually believe that laws enhancing social welfare are not the preferences of the few over the majority?

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    Are there any units listed yet, i haven't seen any mention of price psf anywhere?

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    None available for sale, or so it seems. Apparently most were pre-sold to investors from across the pond.

    It's more likely that we'll see FOR RENT signs before too long.

    More on that below ...

    Here's a 2007 pdf marketing sheet from Winick for commercial space on the Gorund Floor / Basement at 785 8th, available "on or around 4th Quarter 2008" (link includes a partial floor plan of the Ground Floor)

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    First we take Manhattan ...

    independent.ie
    Friday October 26 2007

    As the Irish property market slows down, wealthy Irish investors are looking to the Big Apple to find a home for their money.
    But there is little scope for the amateur investor to follow suit, says Cliodhna O'Donoghue,
    as New York property is strictly for the big boys

    Potential deals include two buildings by brothers Kevin and Donal O'Sullivan of Ballinskelligs, Co Kerry. Their company, Navillus Contracting (www.navillusinc.com), was founded in 1987, and is a premier contrator, specialising in high-end commercial masonry, tiling and stone.

    These Kerry men are the developers behind the residential building with 110 high-end apartments at 785 Eighth Avenue in New York, close to Broadway and Times Square and a short stroll from Central Park. Also under construction by the same team is another similar height infill building in the shadow of the Empire State building at 135 West Street.

    Designed by Mexican architect Ishmael Leyva, who is also responsible for the Time Warner building on nearby Columbus Circle, it has some fantastic uninterrupted views of the Hudson River. For those fronting Eighth Avenue, there are views of Central Park from the balconies. The full roster of S34 47-49 East 34th Street, Manhattan, includes Wi-Fi throughout the 41-storey building, a concierge and doorman-attended lobby, a state-of-the-art fitness centre, a rooftop terrace and spacious residences.

    BridgeStreet Worldwide has agreed to manage all units for a period of 10 years. The initial target income return will be 5pc net. The presence of this agreement gives the comfort of having a quality tenant in place over the long term, thus removing the worry of rental voids.

    In early 2007 Sorrento acquired BridgeStreet Worldwide (www.bridgestreet.com), a leading global short and long-term corporate housing and apartment management company from Interstate Hotels (www.ihr.com) for $42 million. BridgeStreet is the second largest player in the $2 billion U.S. corporate housing market, and is a leading operator in the highly-fragmented European market. It enjoys 92pc occupancy and the average stay is 62 days on a consolidated basis.

    BridgeStreet Worldwide currently operates approximately 500 units in New York, with an average annual occupancy of at least 95pc. This location is ideal as there is a huge demand for corporate housing in midtown with banks such as CitiBank, JP Morgan Chase, BNP, Bank of America and the World Bank located there.

    Darina Heavey of Sorrento Asset Management warns that the cost of buying is high, as much as 5pc on acquisition. This includes New York State Mansion Tax of 1pc where the price exceeds $1m (€0.7m), New York State and City transfer taxes of 1.825pc, as well as the mortgage-recording tax of 2.17pc. The slow bleed just begins there because taxes on rental income include the local property tax at up to $12 (€8) psf, federal income tax of between 10pc and 35pc, New York State income tax of 6.85pc, and Irish income tax. And it should be noted that there are no specific tax exemptions for pension schemes in US tax law.

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    Maybe the Irish lads only looked at Leyva's renderings (none of which show the blank north wall)

    On the other hand, and if the numbers are right, what the hell would they care about a 40-story blank concrete wall?

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    Since when did he design the Time Warner buildings?

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