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    That kind of incline would not really work in the snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STT757 View Post
    I hope they can raise the Bridge, the Bayonne Bridge is one of the most Beautiful bridges IMO.

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    Thumbs up Bayonne Bridge Problem Helping JC/Bayonne Port

    Port Authority begins development of ship-to-rail container facility in Jersey City

    Published: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:05 PM Updated: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:59 PM
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    A Conrail locomotive rolls though the ExpressRail shipping yard at Port Elizabeth pulling a combination of conventional and double stacked cargo railcars in this 1998 photo.

    JERSEY CITY — A goal of the Port of New York Authority when it was founded in 1921 was development of a rail network to improve overall efficiency of the port region. It never happened, and the agency, later renamed the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, turned its attention to building bridges, acquiring piers and airports and developing real estate.

    But rail transport has made a comeback at the Port Authority. And in its latest effort to reduce truck traffic and the carbon emissions that go with it, the bi-state agency yesterday approved the first step in developing a new ship-to-rail container facility in Jersey City.

    The $3 million design study unanimously approved by the agency’s commissioners will result in what will be known as ExpressRail Port Jersey, to be completed by July 2014 on a 100-acre site in the city’s Greenville section. The facility will allow shipping containers to be loaded directly from large ocean-going vessels onto rail cars and shipped to markets inland and up and down the East Coast.

    It will be the most recent component of the Port Authority’s ExpressRail system, which began as a small operation in Elizabeth in 1991, but has accelerated in recent years under the agency’s outgoing chairman, Anthony Coscia. In 2006 the agency completed an ExpressRail facility at its Howland Hook Terminal on Staten Island, followed by an significant expansion of its Elizabeth and Newark facilities in 2008 and 2009.

    Jeff Tittel, executive director of the New Jersey Sierra Club, welcomed the new ExpressRail facility.

    "One train can get up to 1,000 trucks off the road," Tittel said. "The more trucks we can get off the road the better we breath, but even better for our economy."

    Right now, freight trains carry only about 15 percent of the 3 million or so containers that move through the port annually, with trucks hauling the rest. Last year, the total was 308,131, down from 377,827 in 2008 due to the sluggish economy, said Steve Coleman, a Port Authority spokesman. The Jersey City facility alone would have an annual capacity of 250,000 containers.

    Port Authority Executive Director Christopher Ward said it was too early to estimate the cost of the new facility. To date, the agency has spent about $600 million on the ExpressRail system, Coleman said.

    The Jersey City location will be in the Greenville Yard, an old lightering facility, where the Port Authority is also developing a barge-to-rail cargo terminal and a transfer station where New York City garbage in sealed containers will be loaded directly onto rail cars bound for disposal sites.

    In a statement, Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy welcomed the ExpressRail project. "We also look forward to discussing with officials from the Port Authority the potential for financial remuneration for the taxpayers of Jersey City," the statement said.

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    Just build either a bigger,taller,wider 6 line+shoulders taller Bridge replica, OR raise the road level BUT ONLY if they expand the top arch upward to make the proportions look right. Othersise the bridge will look ugly,hideous and retarded-ly awkward!

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    This project is definitely going to be receiving some of the $3 Billion that the Port Authority had allocated for the Hudson River rail tunnels.

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    Bayonne Bridge clearance problem will be solved by raising roadbed 64 feet; Port Authority and mayor see less impact for Bayonne residents

    Thursday, December 30, 2010
    By RON ZEITLINGER
    DEPUTY MANAGING EDITOR


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    This rendering shows how the Bayonne Bridge might appear if it were raised.

    The Bayonne Bridge roadbed will be raised to 215 feet, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey announced yesterday, nixing the costlier alternative of replacing the existing span.

    The iconic bridge must be raised from its current clearance height of 151 feet by 2014, when an expanded Panama Canal will allow larger ships through on their way to East Coast ports.

    Port Authority Deputy Executive Director Bill Baroni said the bi-state agency, which operates the bridge, estimates the cost of raising the roadbed will be between $1 billion and $1.3 billion. Replacing the bridge would cost about $4 billion, Baroni said.

    The Port Authority said it also had considered building a tunnel to replace the bridge.

    Baroni added that this plan - which calls for reconstruction of the existing approaches, ramps and the main span roadway - would have the least impact on Bayonne residents and also keep intact the historic and iconic bridge.

    "This project comes at a most opportune time," said Bayonne Mayor Mark Smith. "This type of construction will create thousands of new highly skilled union construction jobs that will serve as an engine for our local economy."

    Tony Oliveira, president and business manager of Heavy and General Construction Laborers Local 472, said: "This project not only protects the long-term vitality of our ports as a regional economic engine, but will get many of my members off the bench and back to work. This recession has hit everyone hard, but none harder than the men and women in the construction industry."

    Smith said he is also thrilled that the plan chosen will have the least impact on Bayonne residents.

    "I am grateful that the Authority . selected an alternative that does not require the condemnation of any Bayonne homes," Smith said. "There will certainly be some noise and disruption during construction, but the Port Authority has indicated that no one will have to sell their home and no one will have to be relocated."

    Baroni said the P.A. has already begun working on the planning, design and engineering issues.

    "The Bayonne Bridge has been a major priority of mine, and I have advocated for the raising of the bridge to help save over 250,000 jobs," said Congressman Albio Sires, D-West New York. "I applaud the teamwork necessary from the Port Authority, Mayor Mark Smith and his administration, the state of New Jersey, and the entire congressional delegation."

    It is believed that the bridge will remain open during the new construction, although Port Authority spokesman Steve Coleman said no decision has been made.

    The Port of New York and New Jersey currently supports approximately 269,000 jobs in the New York and New Jersey region, and provides for $11.2 billion in personal income, $36.1 billion in business income and $5 billion in local, state and federal tax revenues, Port Authority officials said.

    http://www.nj.com/bayonne/index.ssf/...ces_plans.html

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    Hopefully light rail is included.

    And this project better be documented on a TV series or something similar.

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    I highly doubt Light Rail will be included, it would only to the cost. If you read the article terms like "Cost effective" are often quoted by the Governor and other politicians. The Port Authority agreed to put aside $1 Billion for this project, it was approved prior to the ARC cancellation, so hopefully they can get the project done for that $1 Billion and they could use that $3 Billion in other places. This project has one goal, allow lager ships to access Port Newark/Elizabeth and Howland Hook.

    One big problem though is the traffic that is going to move to the Goethalls Bridge, while the Bayonne doesn't handle too much traffic right now what it does handle is just going to make a bad situation at the Goethalls that much worse. I don't see the traffic that would have used the Bayonne Bridge going to the Outerbridge because it's too far South.

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    Well in the article they say they believe it will remain open during construction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STT757 View Post
    I highly doubt Light Rail will be included, it would only to the cost. If you read the article terms like "Cost effective" are often quoted by the Governor and other politicians. The Port Authority agreed to put aside $1 Billion for this project, it was approved prior to the ARC cancellation, so hopefully they can get the project done for that $1 Billion and they could use that $3 Billion in other places. This project has one goal, allow lager ships to access Port Newark/Elizabeth and Howland Hook.

    One big problem though is the traffic that is going to move to the Goethalls Bridge, while the Bayonne doesn't handle too much traffic right now what it does handle is just going to make a bad situation at the Goethalls that much worse. I don't see the traffic that would have used the Bayonne Bridge going to the Outerbridge because it's too far South.
    The Goethalls / SI Expressway needs a light rail line more then the Bayonne corridor .....SI as a whole needs 3 more links to NJ.....Traffic is terrible and seems to be getting worse..... The outerbridge isn't that bad....ive lost a few mirrors on the Goethalls....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey View Post
    The Goethalls / SI Expressway needs a light rail line more then the Bayonne corridor .....SI as a whole needs 3 more links to NJ.....Traffic is terrible and seems to be getting worse..... The outerbridge isn't that bad....ive lost a few mirrors on the Goethalls....
    The new Goethals Bridge will have the area in the center (between the 3 eastbound lanes and the 3 westbound lanes) reserved for future mass transit, although there are no plans currently to construct one.

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    I believe the current Bayonne Bridge has a light rail potential. The light rail is now built almost to the bridge (the next phase would be to route it over the river) and since the light rail would be a NJ transit project it's funded by different pockets. Presumably it would be more cost effective to build it in while the construction infrastructure is already set up and if it was all put together as one project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcman210 View Post
    I believe the current Bayonne Bridge has a light rail potential. The light rail is now built almost to the bridge (the next phase would be to route it over the river) and since the light rail would be a NJ transit project it's funded by different pockets. Presumably it would be more cost effective to build it in while the construction infrastructure is already set up and if it was all put together as one project.
    I don't see that happening for a very long time, if ever. The vast majority of commuters in the north shore of Staten Island have an east-west commute, primarily to and from the St. George ferry terminal and, to a lesser degree, across the Goethals to NJ. Besides, the Port Authority is now under the gun to get any bridge improvements done quickly, before the Panamax ships start to show up and divert elsewhere; they wouldn't add anything to the project that would add time to the construction schedule.

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    N.J. Bridge Could Get a Big Lift for Ships

    By ANDREW GROSSMAN

    The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey wants to raise the Bayonne Bridge's roadway so big new cargo ships can get to its docks.

    The ships will likely start plying the Atlantic Ocean in large numbers in four years, when a widening of the Panama Canal is expected to be finished. But they are too big to fit under the Bayonne Bridge and get into the Port of New York and New Jersey. Port officials and businesses that rely on it have warned that cargo ships will likely go elsewhere if the problem isn't fixed.

    The Port Authority considered building a new bridge or a tunnel between Staten Island and New Jersey, but said Wednesday that those options for crossing Kill Van Kull were too expensive and too disruptive to neighborhoods. Instead, it plans to lift the roadbed 64 feet higher.

    The project would cost between $1 billion and $1.3 billion and be completed by the time the Panama Canal is widened, said Bill Baroni, the deputy executive director of the Port Authority. "This is a commitment from the Port Authority to fix this bridge," Mr. Baroni said.

    The agency, which is jointly controlled by the governors of New York and New Jersey, has committed $1 billion to solving the Bayonne Bridge problem. But New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and New York Gov.-elect Andrew Cuomo will have to figure out where they want that money to come from. The Port Authority has a long list of projects that need doing and little room in its capital budget to pay for them.

    The four-lane bridge would stay open to traffic if the project goes ahead. Plans call for demolishing the middle two lanes first, leaving one lane open in each direction. Next, crews would build two higher lanes and shift traffic on to those. Then the other two lanes would be demolished and rebuilt 64 feet higher.
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    Army Corps of Engineers Analysis;

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