Bad Neighborhoods to avoid???

[milleniumcab]

Since the only bad neighborhoods he can list are in Chicago, I'll guess Chicago..

[OmegaNYC]

Well, as a outsider looking in. I really don't know the "bad" areas of NYC is. Though, I also feel that what one consider a "bad" area is up for debate. I live in Paterson, NJ. And people all over Jersey swear it is the worst place in America to live. When I tell people I'm from Paterson, they always tell me, "How can you live in such a rough city?". I think people just fear neighborhoods they don't understand, or not used to. I lived in this city my whole life, and I've never onced been mugged or attacked. I just use my head and know where to go, and what to avoid. If I feel like my safety is in danger, I will just leave. Simple as that.

[Fabrizio]

This thread is just...strange....some of you folks are funny.

The original post simply asks: "Whats are the bad neighborhoods/areas to avoid in NYC."

So? My gosh...come to my country.... go to Naples and EVERYONE will tell you what neighborhoods to avoid. Has nothing to do with race...we´re all white here....and I´m half Neopolitan. But yeah...go into certain neighborhoods and see if you come back with your Rolex.

I lived in NYC for much of the 1970´s and early 80´s. Back then, there was a huge out-of-proportion street-crime problem with young black men. And so that´s who you especially avoided in isolated areas at night. My black friends also did the same. There were of course a million reasons for the crime...and if I had been in these guys´ position, I probably would´ve done the same...who knows....but none of that matters when you want to get home at 2 in the morning.... that´s not the time to be a sociologist.

Excellent piece from NPR. Listen up:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4930683

http://blackvoices.aol.com/black_new...20102309990001

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/enter...osby_7-15.html

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[Merry]

James, have you ever been to any of these neighborhoods you're ranting about, or have you just hear about them from your home in small-town Australia?

Why does expressing an opinion have to be referred to as "ranting". James_Oz didn't imply that he was an expert. Australia and the U.S. are demographically and culturally quite different. There is no need to be insulting and misleading about it. The majority of the Australian population lives in the major cities, albeit that they are, amongst other things, comparatively smaller than in the U.S. The U.S. also has many small towns.

Common sense is required to live safely in Australia, too.

[ZippyTheChimp]

The only problem I have with James_Oz is the contradiction in his postings.

I'm from Perth, Oz but from the research I've done

Followed by:

Robberies and grand larcenies are hardly ever reported. So the statistics are flawed. Of course there will be more burglaries in an area where there is more to burgle.

Posting murder statistics might get you close, but likely not very close, to the reality of a given neighbourhood.

Agree with above.[that one should walk through a neighborhood]

It's so easy to objectively sit back and quote crime statistics.

I find it difficult enough to answer questions about neighborhood safety, given my own comfort level, and not knowing that of the person asking the question.

I don't know how someone on the other side of the world can do it.

[tbenson81]

I am not saying Oz's post was accurate - I have no clue. I think thats what the poster is looking for though- just a simple straighforward answer.

And granted there is much debate on what neighborhoods are bad, some may think so and others not.

So, I will rephrase my question - because I would like to know as well.

For every resident New Yorker out there. In your best guess, what parts of Manhattan would Donald Trump not venture out to, by himself at night, (or even in the day time) on foot. In your best guess?

We are just using Trump as an example because he is a prominent New Yorker who is very smart and probably values his safety given his reputation and status. I dont want to hear any crap on why I picked him - he is just an example.

So can anyone who seems to know New York well (maybe Millenium Cab) just list the places (ie. Alphabet City, Harlem) etc.

I am indeed from Chicago. (How did you guys ever guess?)

Tony

[Fabrizio]

"We are just using Trump as an example because he is a prominent New Yorker who is very smart and probably values his safety given his reputation and status. I dont want to hear any crap on why I picked him..."

Sorry Bud, but crap you will get...

You want a serious answer to this question: "In your best guess, what parts of Manhattan would Donald Trump not venture out to, by himself at night, (or even in the day time) on foot. In your best guess?"

Sorry but that´s just so ridiculous. Ridiculous only because....well...what are you trying to prove? I doubt that the Donald hits the pavement alone very often. Maybe from a limo to his offices ...but even in that case he´s got someone holding the umbrella.

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[ZippyTheChimp]

For every resident New Yorker out there.

We are just using Trump as an example because he is a prominent New Yorker who is very smart and probably values his safety given his reputation and status. I dont want to hear any crap on why I picked him - he is just an example.

Do you expect to get a meaningful answer from any of us on what Donald Trump would do?

Speaking as a resident who values my safety and that of my family:

I would avoid Bushwick, Brooklyn.

[lofter1]

The other problem with the way the question is posed is that NYC changes from block to block ... especially in Manhattan. This makes it very difficult -- and more than likely incorrect -- to label entire NYC "neighborhoods" (i.e.: areas that have been given a distinct name such as Chinatown, Washinigton Heights, Ft. Greene, etc.) as unsafe when it is more than likely that only very small pockets of those areas are to be avoided.

tbenson08: I'm still curious as to where you now live ...

[tbenson81]

So Zippy - you are saying everywhere in Manhattan is safe?

I never expected you to forecast what Trump would do - You dont know - I asked what you think and where "you think" he would be unlikely to venture. And yes - I am looking for a meaninful answer. What parts of Manhattan would an upstanding, classy, family-oriented, educated individual want to avoid. Its not too difficult. I asked for a guess.......

Lofter- I have now answered your question 2 times in my 2 prior posts.

[tbenson81]

This board is a lost cause

MrSpice or MilleniumCab. If you are married - you may not be. What parts of Manhattan would you feel very uncomfortable if your wife had to walk through there alone? (Daytime or night)?

Example: Central Park at night

Tony

[lofter1]

Thanks ...

Chicago is a big place ... city center or ????

[tbenson81]

I live in between Lakeview and Lincolnwood

[Fabrizio]

After we´ve done Donald Trump, maybe we could do Martha Stewart:

What neighborhoods would Martha not venture out to, by herself at night, (or even in the day time) on foot.

In your best guess.

[ZippyTheChimp]

tbenson81:

How did you get from my two statements in this thread:

I find it difficult enough to answer questions about neighborhood safety, given my own comfort level, and not knowing that of the person asking the question.

I would avoid Bushwick, Brooklyn.

to....

So Zippy - you are saying everywhere in Manhattan is safe?

I never expected you to forecast what Trump would do -

That's exactly what you asked.

I am looking for a meaninful answer.

If I told you what someone else would do, the answer would not be meaningful.

Before pronouncing this forum a lost cause, maybe you should attempt to understand the difficulty in defining "safe."

Case in point: Central Park crime stats:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/pdf/chfdept/cs022pct.pdf
One of the lowest crime rates anywhere in the city.

Would I be comfortable with my daughter walking alone through the park after dark?
No. But could say that about any isolated place anywhere. If something happens, you are alone.

So is it safe? Statistically, yes.