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    That site just begs for an inspiring design. Skyscraper-wise, few things are worse than a bland office box towering over an otherwise human-scaled neighborhood.

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    Come on, it's Trinity Real Estate putting up the building. Why do you think all those bland ex-printer buildings exist in Hudson Square? Trinity put them up in the twenties and thirties. The only building that has any style in their portfolio is their old (use to be called Standard and Poor's then Bowne) art decoish building at 345 Hudson at Charlton street.

    Look at their portfolio of buildings at http://hudsonsquare.org/buildings.html and you will see what I mean.

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    I like every building on that list.

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    Let me get this straight. Being a lawyer you are like every building on the list?

    Why don't lawyers, accountants and church heiarchy take a simple course in aesthetics, design for mankind and basic decency? It's bottom line for you people pure and simple, screw everybody else.

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    A broad generalization. Yet, I get your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBTwo View Post
    Let me get this straight. Being a lawyer you are like every building on the list?

    Why don't lawyers, accountants and church heiarchy take a simple course in aesthetics, design for mankind and basic decency? It's bottom line for you people pure and simple, screw everybody else.
    Yes. I do like every building on that list. They're all nice.

    These buildings have so much character:






    I would hate to see this one razed under any circumstances, let alone to be replaced by the POS box that's proposed for this site:


    By the way, you have no insight into the legal profession. Lawyers don't screw people. Good lawyers solve problems for businesses and don't deal with individuals. Commerce would come to a halt without lawyers. Lawyers who are at the bottom of the barrel in the legal profession deal with individuals.
    Last edited by londonlawyer; March 9th, 2007 at 10:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBTwo View Post

    Let me get this straight. Being a lawyer you are like every building on the list? ... take a simple course in aesthetics ...
    Read it again ...

    CBTwo is claiming that because you wrote that you like the buildings on the list that therefore "you are like every building on the list" ...

    Which really makes no sense -- however you read it.

    Perhaps a simple course in communications

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    Quote Originally Posted by londonlawyer View Post

    Good lawyers solve problems for businesses and don't deal with individuals. Commerce would come to a halt without lawyers. Lawyers who are at the bottom of the barrel in the legal profession deal with individuals.
    Why is that? Individuals don't deserve good legal representation? Corporations have a more exalted position?

    One of the worst rulings the US Supreme Court ever made was when they granted Corporations a status akin to that of individual persons. That threw everything out of kilter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Why is that? Individuals don't deserve good legal representation? Corporations have a more exalted position?...
    Not at all. Matters that corporations have are more complex and more interesting (e.g., IPO's, anti-trust litigation, tax shelters, etc.) than matters that individuals have (e.g., personal injury claims, wills, divorces). Therefore, better lawyers are interested in working on more challenging issues. Also, for the most part, individuals can't pay a lawyer the high rates that corporations can.

    That being said, good lawyers and good law firms handle a lot of pro bono work for individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Read it again ...

    CBTwo is claiming that because you wrote that you like the buildings on the list that therefore "you are like every building on the list" ...

    Which really makes no sense -- however you read it.
    I agree. I assumed it was a typo.

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    sloppy writing = sloppy thoughts

    [lofter1 ducks to avoid the incoming attacks]

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    Quote Originally Posted by londonlawyer View Post
    Good lawyers solve problems for businesses and don't deal with individuals. Commerce would come to a halt without lawyers. Lawyers who are at the bottom of the barrel in the legal profession deal with individuals.
    stupid comment, like saying good architects design the biggest buildings and shouldnt bother with smaller ones.

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    It all comes down to dollars.

    I like the pictures you posted lawyer. You happened to pick out the best of the Trinity portfolio. I guess you have some aesthetic taste after all. Unfortunately the bottom three are on the block destined to be torn down.
    Last edited by CBTwo; March 9th, 2007 at 10:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alonzo-ny View Post
    stupid comment, like saying good architects design the biggest buildings and shouldnt bother with smaller ones.
    Not to defend London, but that it is not what he said.

    Good architects are in high demand, so they are paid in relation to their skill. The same is true with Lawyers.

    Corporations want the best lawyers they can get, and are willing to spend the money to get them. Therefore a large percent of the best lawyers (a subjective determination based on how they did in school and what school they went to) will work for institutions that pay top dollar.

    Since there are a finite number of top paying attorney jobs, those that are not "the best" will get paid less money which usually entails working for smaller entities and so on, till you get to personal injury and divorce (which can be lucrative, but generally not).

    It is not about quality of the client, but about maximizing your income for your skill set.

    I assume that good architechs are paid not by the Sq ft but by the skill required.

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    RE: Lawyers

    One also has to consider the interests of the attorney.

    Don't assume that all attorneys measure their worth by the amount of money they are paid.

    Many choose to work on issues that go far beyond mere contractual language and transactional deals.

    We get word almost everyday that certain well connected / corporate attorneys are the ones who are actually writing the language of new legislation (tax law, oil industry, drug industry, etc.). No doubt they are very highly paid for that work

    It is highly questionable if this is in the best interest of the majority of the American people and thereby for the country as a whole.

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